Comments on: WM 6.5 Start Menu: What Was MS Thinking?!?! http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/ All About The AT&T Fuze & HTC Touch Pro Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:58:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Thoughts about the new Start Menu of Windows Mobile 6.5 | logomobile.co.uk http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-11100 Thoughts about the new Start Menu of Windows Mobile 6.5 | logomobile.co.uk Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:50:31 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-11100 [...] Original post  [...] [...] Original post  [...]

]]> By: Donwon http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9776 Donwon Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:53:51 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9776 @David K - have you even tried the new 3GS? Iris doesn't compare to safari in terms of speed and ease of use.. Like I said I'm not hating on WM phones or Iris/opera/skyfire but Safari is on point right now with speed and you really don't need to wait for pages to load.. But I understand this is Windows Mobile site/forum and you going to back up WM phones all I'm saying is I'm glad that I don't have to worry about my phone working or not with certain programs and apps.. @David K – have you even tried the new 3GS? Iris doesn’t compare to safari in terms of speed and ease of use.. Like I said I’m not hating on WM phones or Iris/opera/skyfire but Safari is on point right now with speed and you really don’t need to wait for pages to load.. But I understand this is Windows Mobile site/forum and you going to back up WM phones all I’m saying is I’m glad that I don’t have to worry about my phone working or not with certain programs and apps..

]]> By: David K http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9734 David K Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:53:15 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9734 Donwon - exchange email push in the iPhone is ActiveSync...like the same exact ActiveSync in WM. Apple licensed it. As for the browser- Iris for WM is again, exactly the same browser as Safari based on the same webkit engine. Of course, skyfire is multiples faster and displays the full internet (with flash, java, activex) but who's paying attention to the 'real' internet these days when they have an HVGA screen resolution that's only 3 years out of date?:) Donwon – exchange email push in the iPhone is ActiveSync…like the same exact ActiveSync in WM. Apple licensed it. As for the browser- Iris for WM is again, exactly the same browser as Safari based on the same webkit engine. Of course, skyfire is multiples faster and displays the full internet (with flash, java, activex) but who’s paying attention to the ‘real’ internet these days when they have an HVGA screen resolution that’s only 3 years out of date?:)

]]> By: Patrick the Great http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9710 Patrick the Great Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:16:32 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9710 @ Donwon yeah I have to agree with you. I tried using cooked ROMs many of the chefs offer on XDA and I give the props to getting it as stable as possible. However, I know its not there fault with all the bugs and lag but I can't go another year or two waiting for M$ to come out with something stable and we don't even know if it is... Also, the fact that HTC only updates there new released phones with software like WM 6.5 kind of sucks.. and we have to wait for chefs to port it.. I like Windows on the desktop.. but for a cell phone I have to go with apple and the Iphone 3GSexy @ Donwon yeah I have to agree with you. I tried using cooked ROMs many of the chefs offer on XDA and I give the props to getting it as stable as possible. However, I know its not there fault with all the bugs and lag but I can’t go another year or two waiting for M$ to come out with something stable and we don’t even know if it is… Also, the fact that HTC only updates there new released phones with software like WM 6.5 kind of sucks.. and we have to wait for chefs to port it..

I like Windows on the desktop.. but for a cell phone I have to go with apple and the Iphone 3GSexy

]]> By: Donwon http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9709 Donwon Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:09:18 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9709 Wow got my Iphone today and damn I'm glad I switched... No more bugs and the push email is 300x better than WM.. Pages load quick and browser is on point! No lag what so ever!!!! Wow got my Iphone today and damn I’m glad I switched… No more bugs and the push email is 300x better than WM.. Pages load quick and browser is on point! No lag what so ever!!!!

]]> By: drjim http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9699 drjim Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:05:41 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9699 Great perspective, FT. What this thread has demonstrated is that everyone has different points of view, different priorities, and different sensibilities. I would like to point out that criticizing WM isn't intended to devalue it or to suggest that the iPhone is better. Just our individual thoughts on its relative strengths and weaknesses that developers can use create fixes for. And I would hope that MS reads these sorts of web sites to learn what "real people" think about their products. It will be interesting to see what the official 6.5 looks like when released (any expected release date?). Great perspective, FT. What this thread has demonstrated is that everyone has different points of view, different priorities, and different sensibilities.

I would like to point out that criticizing WM isn’t intended to devalue it or to suggest that the iPhone is better. Just our individual thoughts on its relative strengths and weaknesses that developers can use create fixes for. And I would hope that MS reads these sorts of web sites to learn what “real people” think about their products.

It will be interesting to see what the official 6.5 looks like when released (any expected release date?).

]]> By: FarTed http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9696 FarTed Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:28:47 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9696 I don't really understand what would so great about being able to flip from side-to-side on the start menu. Is the 'back' soft-button that hard to select? If you want to slide around, you can always delete all the sub-folders and leave all the start menu shortcuts in \Programs. It would be one helluva mess, but then you could slide up and down to find what you want. WinMo has a directory that is user adjustable. From what I understand about the iphone, it doesn't even come with a file explorer, lol. That's why all of the shortcuts are basically in the same directory, and you can slide from page to page. I miss the recent programs list, but that's about it. You might be able to run quick menu in 6.5 (haven't tried it because I don't think it's necessary). I like the fact that the menu closes when you open an application. I always found it annoying that you'd have to close the menu sub-folders one at a time. This is a lot quicker. When the official 6.5 comes out, it's very possible that there will be a more user friendly way of organizing the start menu. We'll just have to wait and see. It's not that big of a deal, anyway, you could always order things with registry edits, and now reSTART exists and anyone can use it. Try editting the registry on an iphone (or whatever they use to store user settings, assuming you're allowed to change any of the settings). I don’t really understand what would so great about being able to flip from side-to-side on the start menu. Is the ‘back’ soft-button that hard to select? If you want to slide around, you can always delete all the sub-folders and leave all the start menu shortcuts in \Programs. It would be one helluva mess, but then you could slide up and down to find what you want. WinMo has a directory that is user adjustable. From what I understand about the iphone, it doesn’t even come with a file explorer, lol. That’s why all of the shortcuts are basically in the same directory, and you can slide from page to page.

I miss the recent programs list, but that’s about it. You might be able to run quick menu in 6.5 (haven’t tried it because I don’t think it’s necessary). I like the fact that the menu closes when you open an application. I always found it annoying that you’d have to close the menu sub-folders one at a time. This is a lot quicker.

When the official 6.5 comes out, it’s very possible that there will be a more user friendly way of organizing the start menu. We’ll just have to wait and see. It’s not that big of a deal, anyway, you could always order things with registry edits, and now reSTART exists and anyone can use it. Try editting the registry on an iphone (or whatever they use to store user settings, assuming you’re allowed to change any of the settings).

]]> By: chapmeister http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9651 chapmeister Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:14:46 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9651 while I do agree with Jim, and enjoy his readings... we need to keep in mind that Windows 6.5 is still un-official. We have not actually seen a true release from MS for phones, with this OS. This has been ported and re-created. On top of that, we have the amazing chefs who took the uninspired and tweaked and added to it. Such as in Energy 3.0 seeing 4 icons across, as opposed to the standard 3 icons of Windows. While this would make it more functional, it feels a bit off with small icons, and bit childish with the larger 3 icons. A conundrum for sure. Will we ever be satisfied, I dont know. But Im all for a B&M session as the next guy! while I do agree with Jim, and enjoy his readings… we need to keep in mind that Windows 6.5 is still un-official. We have not actually seen a true release from MS for phones, with this OS. This has been ported and re-created. On top of that, we have the amazing chefs who took the uninspired and tweaked and added to it. Such as in Energy 3.0 seeing 4 icons across, as opposed to the standard 3 icons of Windows. While this would make it more functional, it feels a bit off with small icons, and bit childish with the larger 3 icons. A conundrum for sure. Will we ever be satisfied, I dont know. But Im all for a B&M session as the next guy!

]]> By: Gil http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9616 Gil Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:10:08 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9616 What a great read. I placed a recommendation in my blog to this post. http://mobilespoon.blogspot.com/2009/06/thoughts-about-new-start-menu-of.html I must say I haven't upgrade my WM phone yet, as I'm currently using an iPhone and Windows Mobile simply seems less attractive than it used to be in the past. Nevertheless, I intend to upgrade / get a new WM device soon as I'm still a fan of the OS. I just wish Microsoft would have done something more significant to make all their fans happier. What a great read.
I placed a recommendation in my blog to this post.
http://mobilespoon.blogspot.com/2009/06/thoughts-about-new-start-menu-of.html

I must say I haven’t upgrade my WM phone yet, as I’m currently using an iPhone and Windows Mobile simply seems less attractive than it used to be in the past.

Nevertheless, I intend to upgrade / get a new WM device soon as I’m still a fan of the OS. I just wish Microsoft would have done something more significant to make all their fans happier.

]]> By: drdanger http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-9611 drdanger Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:03:25 +0000 http://www.fuzemobility.com/wm-65-start-menu-what-was-ms-thinking/#comment-9611 I'm going to agree on the start menu as far as the honeycomb. It's great that MS tried to make it sound like it was more space efficient, but when all the icons are square shaped a grid design is still the most space efficient. Honeycomb is gone for now and hopefully the tiered design will be too. But there's very few other things that I'm unhappy about with my Fuze. I use my phone for handling my daily events, not as an app machine. I'm having a love affair with chrome in 6.5 and am beginning to have more widgets than I know what to do with. So to each his own. I'm sticking to Windows Mobile for now and likely for a long time. I’m going to agree on the start menu as far as the honeycomb. It’s great that MS tried to make it sound like it was more space efficient, but when all the icons are square shaped a grid design is still the most space efficient. Honeycomb is gone for now and hopefully the tiered design will be too.

But there’s very few other things that I’m unhappy about with my Fuze. I use my phone for handling my daily events, not as an app machine. I’m having a love affair with chrome in 6.5 and am beginning to have more widgets than I know what to do with. So to each his own. I’m sticking to Windows Mobile for now and likely for a long time.

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